I agree with you Clare-you don't get it

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Burnthwaites Siamese

I feel this is to close, just mho

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Mazpahs Siamese & Orientals

mmmmm - my humble opinion too ....

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Ra
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I wouldn't do it.

I wouldn't do it, too risky.

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Tasha

www.sarnajes.co.uk

With new breeds you have to inbreed to a certain extent otherwise the lines will go nowhere and the features will never become locked in. And yes, there's a cost to doing that. But that's how all pedigree breeds started!

But I wouldn't inbreed a full brother and sister if I could help it.

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except there are sometimes accidents like mother son matings or something, must happen.

Right thanks Clare for reminding me that I have just lost a full litter, stillborn due to trying line breeding, just what I needed that! It is the first time I have tried it and the last, but certainly didnt need reminding of my loss

I would have thought posting our problems as above would be good advice to other users, not something to be used as amunition against other breeders!

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I know breeders who have bred brother and sister and produced stunning litters with no problems whatsoever and then there are defects and still births when breeders haven't inbred so it could just be bad luck that this happened to you and nothing to do with the inbreeding. Just a thought.

Hi all, im new to this forum, i breed/show Persians..

I personally don’t have a problem about line breeding, but its imperative that its done properly and a lot of research had to be done.

I think a lot of it for many is fear of the unknown, i too thought that it was a definite no no when i first started breeding 8 years ago, but after looking into it in-depth, talking to other breeders and talking to my vets i was then convinced it was a route that i wanted to go down.

Nature does it all the time in the wild, packs of Lions, wolves ect...we cant compare it to humans as that’s not realistic as we have genetically different makeup.

There is actually more risk to kittens from defects by out crossing than there is to line breeding as at least with line breeding you know what kittens genetically you will be producing. But never would you put brother to sister that is and should never be done, mother to son and daughter to father is fine as one side of the matting will be an outcross.

If done properly you will not get deformed kittens, cleft pallets etc can appear to a totally outcross matting and wouldn’t be down to line breeding.

Again its not something to go into lightly and be prepared to look deeply into it, but the benefits can be outstanding.