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Old 21-04-2008, 05:05 PM
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Re: Unregistered Queens & Kittens

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My registered Bengal breeding queens cost me from £1000 up to £1450 and my males have cost me from £1300 up to £1700. So she is selling them cheaper than registered as far as I can see.
Yes but that is a very high price for Bengals these days isn't it?

But to answer the question, if someone pays full price for a pedigree then they should expect to get the papers, surely. I have previously sold unregistered pedigree kittens (for a very good reason) but at 1/6 to 1/3 of the normal pedigree price.

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Yes but that is a very high price for Bengals these days isn't it?

But to answer the question, if someone pays full price for a pedigree then they should expect to get the papers, surely. I have previously sold unregistered pedigree kittens (for a very good reason) but at 1/6 to 1/3 of the normal pedigree price.

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Actually Liz thats about average - i have spoken to many reputable breeders over the last few days and those prices seem to be correct for a snow bengal
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Re: Unregistered Queens & Kittens

I was surprised to find that most of the enquiries i get for my kittens are from people wanting to breed - although they do not want to pay more than pet price. It almost seems too easy now to buy an unregistered kitten at pet price and breed - they can still sell the kittens at the going rate.
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Im afraid its another one of those unregistered things again...............

I have been enquiring about kittens and had an email from a breeder who said the following:
Hi there, i only sell my kittens as pets if you decide to breed from them i don't have a problem but they wont be registered. They will have a pedigree birth certificate to prove they are pedigree but will not be registered active.
I don't agree with charging an extra £800 or so just for a piece of paper an to have the cat on file so to speak! I have 1 female £500,shes spotted with a silver glitter from her dad,he is a beautiful blue eyed snow spotted Bengal, and 1 male £400,he's brown marbled very wild looking.
If you decide your interested let me know and ill email you some pictures or your welcome to come and visit.


I then asked her what she sells her kittens for and her repsonse was:
Hi again, you can sell them as pedigrees still, for around £500 each depending on the sex colour and markings. Just as i do.

Now im sure she is a really good breeder - but how can she get away with charging top money for kittens that are not registered??? Is this acceptable??? Do people who are buying for pets not worry about the registration papers???
Basically she sounds like a BYB to me..
I bet her breeding cats were bought as pets - therefore are not on the active...( thats why she cant register them...)The reason we register the breeding cats is to guaruntee the quality of the breed..
unregistered means no guaruntee of parentage no matter what 'pedigree' they give you.
also you cant show non registered cats - why would anyone buy a kitten for registered price with non of the quality & parentage or health guarentee's??
If all breeders did this then everyone will be just churning out kittens for old rope and no end of problems will occur in the breed..
Surely to breed a specific breed you should have registered active cats, the parents then health screened, then register the kittens .. it all costs time & money but its for the good of the breed..
anyone who just breeds off unregistered so called 'pedigree' cats is harming the quality of the breed if you ask me & I wouldnt touch them with a barge pole..

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>Basically she sounds like a BYB to me..
I bet her breeding cats were bought as pets - therefore are not on the active...( thats why she cant register them...)The reason we register the breeding cats is to guaruntee the quality of the breed..
unregistered means no guaruntee of parentage no matter what 'pedigree' they give you.
also you cant show non registered cats - why would anyone buy a kitten for registered price with non of the quality & parentage or health guarentee's??
If all breeders did this then everyone will be just churning out kittens for old rope and no end of problems will occur in the breed..
Surely to breed a specific breed you should have registered active cats, the parents then health screened, then register the kittens .. it all costs time & money but its for the good of the breed..
anyone who just breeds off unregistered so called 'pedigree' cats is harming the quality of the breed if you ask me & I wouldnt touch them with a barge pole..<


I am afraid I have to jump in here. I am from Canada where I jokingly say "we live so far back in the woods we have to come out to hunt." I do not register my himalayians...however, I do NOT breed related cats. I am very careful who I breed my queens to, thus own my own stud. I have a closed cattery. I breed only my own cats/ My cats come from registered cats whose owners simply gave up on the red tape of registering. With never a cat show in the area , buying and selling registered animals was found to be a waste of time and money. None of my buyers cares as long as they get the looks, guaranteed health and colour type they want...and of course having the vets tell them my kittens are beautiful and healthy does a lot for my reputation. After all you know and I know, that by registering something, without actual D.N.A. there is no actual proof that the kitten or other animal is from who it is supposed to be from. I know of two registered kittens that were sold as breeders that carry a genetic heart defect. My cousin (a registered breeder) who unlike you, does not look down her nose at me, has these two and has to have a test done by a certain age to see if they are carriers or not. The selling breeder did not make her aware of the fact. So much for registered kittens being guaranteed healthy...simply because they have papers. By limiting the gene pool inbreeding can run rampant...something I do not agree with. I know it has been done to introduce new breeds, but as with the Fjord horses (which we own a couple of) the less inbreeding once the breed is established the better). We know it is not acceptable in the human race...it is known as "incest" and is illegal. To further my conviction that inbreeding is wrong.... my neighbour bred pugs. She bred father to daughter. The first litter turned out ok so she did it again, and yet again. Both 2nd and 3rd litters had flippers for legs and lived less than 3 weeks. Even barn cats are bred by "travelling toms" thus enlarging the gene pool. Just because an animal is papered does not necessarily make it any better, or healthier.....For you to state that registering guarantees health and unregistered animals are of poorer quality is simply untrue and you know it! The integrety of the breeder, registered or not, is what is important.
I purchased a registered Rottweiler puppy last summer. She turned a year old in January and I am still waiting for her papers. Her mother and father were imported from Germany and the breeder said she was still working on registering her previous litter. I have no idea what is going on here but it seems to me as if those durned papers are a pain in the butt. I could notify the Canadian Kennel Club and get her in a peck of trouble....I am not willing to do that at the present time at least. I am not showing my dog and though it would be nice to have her papers, really when all is said and done, I have the same dog....registered or not! Her price as a breeding bitch was $2000.00. Her price for a pet to be spayed (which I did) was $1000.00. So she definitely wanted the big bucks for allowing her to be "active". I am sorry, but I take offence to the term Back Yard Breeder..... as the old indian said "you should walk 10 miles in our moccasins" before you voice such a degretary opinion!
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