...yes thank you weve already established that.

I take it your not a breeder!!!!! If you were you would understand why breeders get so upset with BYB

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Anyone else getting dejavou?????

ok i have to say i use to breed bengal x i no longer do now and have had my last litter and with advice i have been given i am now going to breed pure bred registered bengals along with my prefix etc and i have to say i had a few breeders have a go and others phone the person that i am planning to get my new breedin queens from and work along side so that i can help improve the breed of pelt temperment etc and i have a great passion for cat shows so will be doing that aswell.
i understand that breeders are annoyed with byb and i only had one female and one male and just had 3 litters in total so i would not say i was a byb but in my case some breeders were so quick to judge me and it was really upsetin
with the right advice to clair am sure she will see that investing in a quality regestired breeding queen will benifit her fav breed to produce top quality ragdolls

yeah im not getting involved this time, wouldnt want to offend anyone

well actually i did used to breed registed yorkies and some of my cats are registered but as an ex breeder im not getting into a debate over what happens with pedegrees and some breeders

You managed to be offensive enough in your last post to get it removed all by yourself. If you're going to personally attack someon at least educate yourself about what you are talking about. I love all of my cats - but not all of them are able to cope in a multi cat household - so guess what? Someone gets the benefit of a young ex-breeding queen to join them at less than a BYB would charge for an unregistered cat. And we don't breed our cats after a certain age, so they have the chance to integrate with a family who cannot afford a kitten.

I never said we didn't make money from our cats - every breeder 'makes money' from their cats - whether they make a profit from it is another matter.

What I said in the other thread (nice to know you weren't blinded by your feelings of solidarity for Clare to be able to take it in ) was that BYBs do not pay for breeding quality cats - they pay for cats that should not be bred for one reason or another. And they do this to save money - they lie to the breeder and then breed cats that were never meant to be bred to line their pockets. They don't fill out paperwork, they don't adhere to any ethical code, they run no risk of finding their business in tatters because they have failed to do the right thing - they have no rules.

I would not buy a car or a house from someone who has first of all lied, then cut corners, then produced something that didn't have the correct paperwork. So why would anybody buy an unregistered cat? The mind boggles. They're not even being governed by a code of ethics! Why take the risk?

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sorry dont mean to offend anyone did read byb thread im not say all breeders doit but i no when i bred yorkies oooh 10 years ago some top breeders didnt give correct paperwork to some litters and i no that went on then so sometime the papers mean well not a lot

which is pity, becouse people have no idea of difference between registered breeder and Back Yard Breeder....................

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There are no rules, rules are only for people who fit inside a box, if you want to think out of the box there is no hope... Life has no Box. (Tony Howells)

Whether Clare is the 'original' BYB that lied to buy the cat, or whether she is a BYB further on down the line - she knows that someone lied to get a cat and that makes her as bad as the 'original' BYB.

It's like buying dodgy goods from a bloke in the pub. So she didn't actually steal the goods herself - but she knows they are stolen and is seeking to profit from someone elses loss.

I have never sold a cat once it is 'no use' to me. One that we are rehoming is a nervous wreck around other cats - she is only a year old and has plenty of litters left in her if I wanted to keep her on to produce more - but I want to do what is best for the cat. She currently has to be kept completely separate from the other cats and is not enjoying the sort of life that could be offered to her by a family. That is why she is being rehomed.

I resent being told that I do not love my cats. You have never met me or my cats and are just running your arguments on emotions and emotive speak.

The 'piece of paper' that you scoff at is the registration certificate - it's the proof that the cat is what the breeder says it is. If you don't mind being sold a 'Rolex' down the pub by a dodgy guy in a brown raincoat, then by all means buy your cat unregistered. If you want a Rolex that is guaranteed to be a Rolex then buy it from Harvey Nichols.

The 'Rolex' you get from the guy in the raincoat may break after a while and you'll have no protection - you bought 'stolen goods' after all.

Yes, it is a pity. Having a thread about BYBs is educational and informative.

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