just reading in other thread about this and have wondered myself do cats only go by parents colours or can throw backs from grandparents come in as well? i have a black and whilte long haird girl domestic with a tabby mother and a black boy mother kind of tabby shades siamese but a domestic grandfather all the kittens produced so far have been black and white do you think i will ever get a kitten thats not black and white or black?

oh yes lots of throw backs! Ressessive gene can hide and linger for a few generations.

not quite sure what cats you have - is this right?

1) a black and white long haired girl - whos mum was a tabby (what colour tabby?) - any ideas on the father?

2) a black boy - whos mother was a tabby point (whitey cream body -coloured limbs, face and tail? - again what colour tabby) - any idea on the father here? What colour were the grandfather and the grandmother?

Remember tabby is a pattern not a colour.

Are these the two cats that you are mating together? Are they both solids, i.e. no tabby markings?

Let me have these detailsand i'll try to help - but I seem to recall that white is incredibly dominant as is black so probably only going to get black and white from this pairing. I'll go check.

EDIT- yes white very dominant - if she carries 1 white gene 1/2 will be white in some way.

'White spotting is a very common mutation that causes patches of white in what is called a "piebald" pattern. The range of variation is quite remarkable: from white toes, to white feet; a white streak on the nose or a white chin, to a white bib; a white belly and legs, to white over most of the body, leaving only a few patches of color; or even a completely white coat.

White spotting can be thought of as a mask over the color that the cat naturally carries. White spotting is a very common mutation that causes patches of white in what is called a "piebald" pattern. The range of variation is quite remarkable: from white toes, to white feet; a white streak on the nose or a white chin, to a white bib; a white belly and legs, to white over most of the body, leaving only a few patches of color; or even a completely white coat. White spotting can be thought of as a mask over the color that the cat naturally carries.'

So in this case i think (please those who deal in other than colourpoints normally help here) 1/2 white in places, and then the rest depends on what is carried - no carried genes black only (with or without white), if they both carry dilute then blues possible(with or without white), if both carry chocolate then chcoclate (brown) with or without white, if both carries chocolate and dilute then lilacs are also possible. See why it is usefulto know the grandparents colours etc. But a gentic test is the best way to know for definate what is carried.

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ok here goes

mum is black and white longhaired her mother was tabby with black honey and beige tones her dad was very simular to her black and white

dad pure black mum siamese pale with the more sandy earthytones if that makes sense i dont know about his dad tho the woman who i got him off didnt know who it was

i think i kinda know all the kittys will be black or black and white i long for different coloured one tho lol

I would say what you get right now will be what you would get, unless they both carry dilute and just haven't produced yet, in which case you would get blue or blue and white x

i'm not so up on 2 solids and throwing tabby's or if they would as both parents are solid - maybe KK or Saikou or someone can fill that part in x

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With these colors in the parents you can get:
- black
- black and white
- possible colorpoint (the father carries the gene for colorpoint since his mother is siamese colored) if the mother also carries the colorpoint gene
- longhaired kittens if the father carries the gene for longhair

And then there are many recessive traits that might show up, but unless DNA-tested we won't know anything about that until they do pop up.

Sounds like mum's mum was a black tortie tabby (so not as likely that she carries anything with that dad)
Sounds like dad's mum was a chocolate tabby point ( so he might carry chocolate)

However, as they both need tocarry the ressessive gene I don't think yu will get the other colours. Remember though I only working off percentages and sensible guesswork and could be wrong.

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no tabbies possible - two solids can't produce a tabby - see my other post on this section.

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See, i'll stick to my MC's - tabby points and lilac carrying etc etc highly confuse me!! x

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did figure that but wanted to check, been a loooooooong day lol x

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thanks so much its quiet interesting how it all works im happy with whatever we get as they always gorgeous they usually have dads sleek shape with mums fur length, if this lot ever arrives she really making me hold on for them lol