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Old 30-12-2011, 03:57 PM
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Semi bald Siamese Kitten

This may be the wrong section but I just wanted some advice on a kitten. My kittens are now about 8 weeks old, their mum is siamese and I think the dad is too, the girl looks just like a normal siamese kitten, the boy is the same except rather than a full coat he just has a thin covering of fur all over like it is just his undercoat. He hasn't ever lost fur he just never grew it. When the kittens were born they all looked the same and as they got older the girl got a full coat but the boy never did, I thought he would grow it but now im beginning to think it won't.
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Is it a genetic mutation?
Do some siamese carry hairless genes?
Should I keep him or will he be ok to home?
I'll post a picture of the 2 so you can see the difference soon but he just looks pink in pictures
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Old 30-12-2011, 04:16 PM
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Re: Semi bald Siamese Kitten

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Re: Semi bald Siamese Kitten

if you dont have papers and dont know the dad they they are moggies or moggie crosses, so I hope you dont sell them as siamese, possible siamese crosses maybe!

You cant carry a hairless gene from what Ive red its a mutation, maybe they have the sypnx cat somewhere in the lines, which just means they are crosses even more, I dont know he looks very bald doesnt he? has the vet said that his ok? could it be a allergie if his hair fell out? sounds odd??
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Re: Semi bald Siamese Kitten

I haven't a clue, but didn't want to read and run. He's adorable--they both are. He just looks like he'll need a little cat sweater . Anyway, I know there are a number of knowledgeable breeders on here, and they would definitely be able to help you. I'm thinking Lymorelynn, because she breeds Siamese herself, and Lizward, just because she's doing an outcross project, so would probably be current on genetics and anomalies and the like.

Good luck--they're very sweet.
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Re: Semi bald Siamese Kitten

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if you dont have papers and dont know the dad they they are moggies or moggie crosses, so I hope you dont sell them as siamese, possible siamese crosses maybe!

You cant carry a hairless gene from what Ive red its a mutation, maybe they have the sypnx cat somewhere in the lines, which just means they are crosses even more, I dont know he looks very bald doesnt he? has the vet said that his ok? could it be a allergie if his hair fell out? sounds odd??
Hairlessness is a mutation, however it mutates a gene and then stays such as albinoism. It is random but therotically if that animal was too mate then they could pass on the mutated gene to offspring. If the father/mother had the mutated gene then it would be possible to pass it on to children and so on and so forth.

Any gene could be passed on, the mutation is just what starts it. Sorry I was kind of a science nerd in school/college. Genetics was 1 of my favourite subjects in, I got really excited when it showed up in my latest course.
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Re: Semi bald Siamese Kitten

They both look lovely kittens. I'm not clued up on the genetics, but as there is already doubt about the father I would guess that someone in his lines had been mated to a Sphynx. As mum and Dad were at the same place they could both have the gene I suppose, but that's not very likely? Clearly both his parents were colourpoint but I don't know if hairlessness is dominant or recessive.

A purebred Siamese doesn't carry the hairlesness gene, but I suppose theoretically he could be a first generation mutation. Though he seems to have a little hair on his tail? Maybe that is relevant. Certainly you would expect pure Siamese of this age to look like his sister in coat.

I wonder if you can genetically test for the hairlessness gene as that would rule out a medical condition at least.
I think if it were me I wouldn't let him go to a new home unless he was neutered - to avoid uncrupulous people breeding from him. Also that buys you a bit more time to check that he develops normally and remains healthy, and he'll need a home you trust as I hairless cats need indoor homes and regular care to their skin I believe.

Hopefully a Sphynx breeder might see your post and be more help, perhaps it's worth contacting a Sphynx breed club for their opinion and advise about his daily care. I'm sure your Vet will have a useful opinion, I expect the kittens will go for jabs next week so do let us know what the Vet says.

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Re: Semi bald Siamese Kitten

He is absolutely adorable, bless him. Another special cat - hope you can keep him or find him the very special home he deserves. I guess contacting the Sphynx club to find out any special care needs would be an idea.

Whereabouts are you? In case anyone here would like to take him (if I didn't have 3 cats already I'd be beating down your door )

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if you dont have papers and dont know the dad they they are moggies or moggie crosses, so I hope you dont sell them as siamese, possible siamese crosses maybe!
I'm absolutely certain Elsie's Mum doesn't have any intention of selling the kittens as pure bred Siamese:

Adopted a cat that turned out to be pregnant! Help!

She just did a nice thing and took in a cat that needed a home and ended up with more than she bargained for.
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Hairlessness is a mutation, however it mutates a gene and then stays such as albinoism. It is random but therotically if that animal was too mate then they could pass on the mutated gene to offspring. If the father/mother had the mutated gene then it would be possible to pass it on to children and so on and so forth.

Any gene could be passed on, the mutation is just what starts it. Sorry I was kind of a science nerd in school/college. Genetics was 1 of my favourite subjects in, I got really excited when it showed up in my latest course.
As Elsie's Mum thinks the kittens father was the entire male the previous owner had (see her other thread), if the mother and father were closely related (ie brother and sister, not beyond the realms of possibility as the previous owner seems a bit of an idiot) would this make a hairless mutation more likely to appear in a litter? As both parents might carry the same mutated gene?
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Re: Semi bald Siamese Kitten

It could do I suppose. I'm not 100% sure if hairless gene is dominant or recessive, it's not something I've ever had to look into...i would assume recessive. Or like someone else has said it could be the first hairless mutant...that sounds abit mean don't it.

I somehow missed the bit about the mother and father being possibly related, wouldn't be the first time that offspring have been a bit 'different' if that's the case.


Either way, it's a very cute looking kitten. Like someone else has said I would get it neutered before homing it, to avoid someone breeding a dodgy heritage or gene. I would hope that he would go to someone experienced with cats being that bit different to the average kitty.
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It could do I suppose. I'm not 100% sure if hairless gene is dominant or recessive, it's not something I've ever had to look into...i would assume recessive. Or like someone else has said it could be the first hairless mutant...that sounds abit mean don't it.
A quick internet search says it's recessive - meaning, if it works like a normal recessive, a proportion of the offspring of two parents carrying the gene will carry the gene, a proportion will display it (like this boy) and a proportion will neither carry nor display it (can't remember the proportions!).
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