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Old 29-12-2011, 01:41 PM
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Help, breeding advice needed please

I have a six month old Ragdoll, and i think she is ready to breed as she is 'calling', i would like to breed her but i have never done this before. The problem is i signed a form to say i would not breed her from the breeder i bought her from, can i change this does anyone know? I am not bothered about breeding pure Ragdolls for shows, i don't have to breed her with another Ragdoll, i just would really like the experience of breeding her. I wouldnt want to breed her with any Tom, I was thinking of paying for a proper stud. Any advice please, i don't know what i am doing here.
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Re: Help, breeding advice needed please

why? you bought her as a pet and signed a contract, why arent you contacting the breeder of her for advice, if you signed a legal contract then no you cant, this is why people should early neuter
she may have been sold as a pet as she may have illness in her lines or be to small or not be breed quality.

and as to mate her to any old cat no stud will accept you as she isnt registered on active, you need to her her health tested, hcm/pkd/and others Ive read are fiv/felv. as we lla s the stud. what would you breed her with? what are his lines his lhealth tests? his background?

breeding is about bettering the lines with another pedigree cat and research, NOT just mating them for kittens, she wont be ready to breed for another 6-8months min anyway, so neuter her researach and think about doing it properly.

or better yet how about fostering some kittens that we are over flowing with in our rescue at the moment as no one can afford to buy or look after them?
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Re: Help, breeding advice needed please

I'm sorry but the bottom line is there is no ethical way of doing this UNLESS you can persuade the breeder to change her to the active register (I am assuming she is registered), this is likely to be difficult and if the breeder agrees it is likely to cost you a significant amount of money. If she happens not to be registered then in fact there is nothing the breeder can do, but equally there is little point in breeding an unregistered cat. There are studs out there who will accept unregistered cats, but not many. Accepting a cat on the non-active register should be a no-no for all registered studs, because if we do that we get fined. So your only chance is to find an unregistered stud. But I have to say that if you signed an agreement not to breed your cat then you ought to stick by that agreement, it is the only ethical thing to do. Sorry.

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I have a six month old Ragdoll, and i think she is ready to breed as she is 'calling', i would like to breed her but i have never done this before. The problem is i signed a form to say i would not breed her from the breeder i bought her from, can i change this does anyone know? I am not bothered about breeding pure Ragdolls for shows, i don't have to breed her with another Ragdoll, i just would really like the experience of breeding her. I wouldnt want to breed her with any Tom, I was thinking of paying for a proper stud. Any advice please, i don't know what i am doing here.
Then don't breed, get your girl spayed instead.
Breeding because you would 'really like the experience of breeding her' isn't a good reason to breed at all
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Re: Help, breeding advice needed please

If you agreed that you would not breed her this can only be changed by her breeder but I doubt that any breeder would agree to it. No stud owner will agree to letting you use their stud cat as she is not registered as 'active' - it will be on her pink slip and a stud owner will ask to see it.
Ragdolls are prone to a genetic heart problem and their breeding is under scrutiny of the GCCF at the moment so I would really, strongly advise that you have her spayed.
Breeding is not something to be undertaken on a whim - there are so many complications and considerations. If you want to breed do some research into it and start by being up-front with another breeder about buying an active registered kitten.
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I have a six month old Ragdoll, and i think she is ready to breed as she is 'calling', i would like to breed her but i have never done this before. The problem is i signed a form to say i would not breed her from the breeder i bought her from, can i change this does anyone know? I am not bothered about breeding pure Ragdolls for shows, i don't have to breed her with another Ragdoll, i just would really like the experience of breeding her. I wouldnt want to breed her with any Tom, I was thinking of paying for a proper stud. Any advice please, i don't know what i am doing here.
Simple answer is, if you don't know what you are doing, don't do it. The breeder asked you to sign a contract to prevent this sort of thing happening, not so you could simply ignore it. It is legally binding.

Breeding because you would like the experience is really not a valid reason to breed. What about the kittens? As you know there are many already in rescue, because people thought they would like the experience of breeding then found they could not home them.

Only today I was told about three 8 week old spaniel puppies, taken the vet to be pts because they all had cataracts and the breeder could not sell them. No doubt the condition was already in the lines, but the breeder did not care about that.

I know how tempting it is to want to experience the kittens and everything, but it is extremely expensive, extremely time consuming and worrying, and your girl may not even survive.

How would you feel then?
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Re: Help, breeding advice needed please

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I have a six month old Ragdoll, and i think she is ready to breed as she is 'calling', i would like to breed her but i have never done this before. The problem is i signed a form to say i would not breed her from the breeder i bought her from, can i change this does anyone know? I am not bothered about breeding pure Ragdolls for shows, i don't have to breed her with another Ragdoll, i just would really like the experience of breeding her. I wouldnt want to breed her with any Tom, I was thinking of paying for a proper stud. Any advice please, i don't know what i am doing here.


Then you are best not to do it. Breeding cat's takes time, money and knowledge, and it's obvious from your post you dont have the knowledge.

You also made an agreement with your cats breeder not to mate her, your breeder trusted you to stick to this contract.

I suggest you get her spayed as soon as you can.
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Re: Help, breeding advice needed please

First of all welcome to the forum.

Secondly if you have signed a contract to say you would not breed from her then you should adhere to that. The breeder has sold you to her as a "pet" and not to be bred from - she may not be quite up to the breed standard hence being sold as a "pet". She is, anyway, way too young yet anyway to have kittens.

If you are serious about breeding from her then I strongly advise you to go back to the breeder, ask her if she will put the girl on the "Active" register and ask her to mentor you.

There are a lot of pitfalls in breeding and you really need to do your research if you are going to do it at all. You need to research any potential stud's pedigree and take into consideration the costs, blood tests before going to stud (around £30-£50), stud fees - anywhere from £200 - £500, extra food, heating, vaccinations, registration fees etc., and and if your girl is pregnant and needs a C Section factor after hours, potentially £500.

Would say that even before you consider breeding from her you would need to check is she is HCM/PKD clear - her breeder should be able to tell you.

Do go back to your breeder and sound her out. She may be happy to help you.
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Agree with all the advice given.Please re think this idea of breeding until you have a suitable ,registered Queen and the backing of her breeder.I have a young male Raggie who was the result of a litter from an unregistered Queen and although I would never part with him,he has tried my patience many times.He has behavioural problems as do at least another two of his littermates,The vet/behaviourist believes this to relate to his genetic make up ,but the Backyard Breeder he came from(which is what an unregistered breeder is usually called) either didnt have the knowledge or didnt care about the risks she was taking .Please just have her spayed and if you really want to breed,research the breed/breeding and find a good breeder who will sell you a registered queen and will mentor you.
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Re: Help, breeding advice needed please

At six months she is nowhere near ready to breed - it would be like condoning an 11 year old girl getting pregnant just because she started her periods. SHe needs to be much nearer a year old really. Though some cats are ready at around 9 months.

The problem is you signed a contract and your girl isn't on the breeding register so effectively, you are wanting to set yourself up as a back yard breeder. Not a good idea. If you want to get into breeding then do it properly and find someone who will sell you a breeding queen (and it will cost more) will mentor you, help you chose a good stud with diverse enough lines to not constitute inbreeding etc. Do it properly, there are people out there that will help you. 1/2 peds are still moggies and moggies are hard to find homes for at the best of times. Depending on your stud (and you are unlikely to find a good quality one that will take you because of the reasons stated above) you probably won't get a pointed cat or a long haired cat as these are recessive genes. Using a local entire tom is probably the only way you will get this cat pregnant and you are most likely just going to end up with black short haired.

The best thing you can do is neuter this girl, do your research, go to shows and meet breeds and breeders and decide if you really want to do this seriously and take it from there. Then wait for the right girl, form the right lines, tested for the right diseases etc and do it well.
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