"bad breeders" then lobby the owners of this site to stop accepting ads on their sister site, Pets4Homes, offering pregnant cats for sale. There was an ad running on there very recently by one breeder offering five, yes five, pregnant cats for sale. Shame on them and shame on the site ownership for accepting such ads.

This will probably be removed as swiftly as the other two threads, And therein lies your "cover up".

ive seen quite a few adverts like that lately whats wrong with people

Very true! That certainly would be one way. Still leaves the more crafty ones to go unnoticed, particularly since despite their own breeding practices they still dole out decent advice to others.

Threads such as these tend to live longer when posted in chat rather than breeding too. Somehow moderating seems to be toughest in this part of the forum

Hobbs, I only remembered you tend to get more of your nine lives in cat chat *after* hitting submit.

What I've never been able to get to grips with, as far as threads being pulled here goes, is what constitutes 'personal', given that many threads are locked for "getting personal". To me, a personal insult or criticism means something quite different than breeding practices being hotly debated... in a (surprise, surprise) cat breeding forum But I suppose I need to stay off that subject and get back on topic.

Do you think that's because the breeding forum radiates trouble sometimes, so therefore takes more moderating?

I'm sorry but that thread that has just been closed was posted in my opinion to create trouble .... what newbie goes back to a thread from June 2010 if not to stir things up?? Blimey when I was a newbie it took me months to work out some of the features on here!!

This is just my opinion of course

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Does it attract trouble though or is it just one of the more emotive parts of the forum where animal welfare is often more of an immediate concern than the endless threads about cat names, cat carriers, cat names, cat food etc? I think one of the fundamental problems with this forum, and the cat breeding section in particular, is that people take things way too personally. Any criticism is seen as a personal attack, rather than just a decent piece of advice. And then it quickly descends into often unsubstanitated allegations of bullying, improper tone etc.

And I agree, the other thread was started to highlight what the OP felt was a double-standard. Some view it as starting trouble; others as highlighting the rotten core that is often brushed under the carpet.

No doubt this thread will soon be closed too.

Debate and to some extent argument is fine. Having opinions is fine. Telling someone that you don't agree with they way they do something is okay. Telling someone that what they do is wrong and insulting them by calling them ignorant. stupid etc is not acceptable - that's what I mean if I close a thread because it has become personal. No matter what anyone else thinks every member here is entitled to their own opinions. If someone has different opinions then it is up to them to use their own reasoning as guidance to try and change perhaps outdated beliefs.

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Do you think it's right that someone, who so obviously wasnt a newbie, can come back on and post threads like that?

I tend to stay out of this section because 1. I know nothing about breeding and 2. I dont like to see arguments!


What I also dont like is deliberate wind up merchants, because that is when trouble starts ..... most people can tolerate the odd clash in opinions, or personalities ..... but why do it on purpose?


Maybe I'm just too nice

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Is debate really fine Lynn? Seems to me that most debates on here suffer the same fate - heavy editing at its best or removal at its worst.

Since most people post on the breeding section because they don't know what to do, it is really insulting to think of them as ignorant? And surely, breeding is one of the areas where things can be done in the wrong way, possibly endangering the queen as well as the kittens. So, how can pointing this out not be acceptable.

Actually, Jenny, much as I stand by what I what I said, I do agree that particular thread was started for exactly that reason; to stir up a bit of trouble.