Originally Posted by Taylorbaby

my god you can get aped for that!? i wonder if they were even pedigree themselves, i bet they werent pkd/hcm tested either



if its part of a out cross program yes they do, and they are regged aswell health tested vacs when leaving etc.

Originally Posted by dougal22

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But does this sounds like an outcross programme

Originally Posted by dougal22

But does this sounds like an outcross programme

Originally Posted by MarkA

I'm sorry you think this about placing blame rather than trying to do something about the situation, however little. If all the responsible cat folks did something about it, then something could be done about the situation. As you say, the responsible breeders are allready doing the testing so it wouldnt involve more expense for them.

If the BVA were on board they could easily help publicise a voluntary registration scheme to buy from accredited breeders.

Where'as as at the moment you have to look in the 'locked draw in the basement with a sign on it saying beware of the leopard' before you find anything usefull.

I came on here to see if there was anything that could be done about the general situation but mostly found apathy and finger wagging, mixed in with a few sensible replies (thanks for those).

If you think i'm looking for someone to blame, then that says more about your mentality than it does mine!

Originally Posted by MarkA

I'm sorry you think this about placing blame rather than trying to do something about the situation, however little. If all the responsible cat folks did something about it, then something could be done about the situation. As you say, the responsible breeders are allready doing the testing so it wouldnt involve more expense for them.

If the BVA were on board they could easily help publicise a voluntary registration scheme to buy from accredited breeders.

Where'as as at the moment you have to look in the 'locked draw in the basement with a sign on it saying beware of the leopard' before you find anything usefull.

Originally Posted by MarkA

If all the responsible cat folks did something about it, then something could be done about the situation. As you say, the responsible breeders are allready doing the testing so it wouldnt involve more expense for them.

Originally Posted by MarkA

If the BVA were on board they could easily help publicise a voluntary registration scheme to buy from accredited breeders.

Originally Posted by MarkA

Where as at the moment you have to look in the 'locked draw in the basement with a sign on it saying beware of the leopard' before you find anything usefull.

Originally Posted by MarkA

I came on here to see if there was anything that could be done about the general situation but mostly found apathy and finger wagging, mixed in with a few sensible replies (thanks for those).

Originally Posted by MarkA

If you think i'm looking for someone to blame, then that says more about your mentality than it does mine!

Originally Posted by Taylorbaby

1. no GOOD breeder sells a kitten at 8weeks.
2. why buy a kitten at 8weeks? from someone who calls themselves a 'breeder'?
3. did you have post mortem done to see how the kitten died?

isnt the BVA for dogs? Tell you what alot of shocking breeders are 'accredited' dog breeders, i wouldnt join the scheme unless they sorted it out.

Originally Posted by Dozymoo

Hi Marc,
I'm sorry to hear about your kitten. I can understand how upsetting that would have been.

However, I don't think the BVA would willingly publicise the breeding of non-pedigree cats, whether or not the breeders are accredited. Their focus is on minimising moggie breeding, particularly in light of the UK rescue situation.

There are already organisations for accredited breeders (including Tica and the GCCF) which the average cat buyer can easily access via google. These organisations have codes of conduct and members can be suspended/fined if the codes are not followed.

With regards to the breeder of your kitten, I'm afraid there is probably nothing you can do without evidence of a post mortem. It's your word against theirs. Sorry

Originally Posted by Tje

Responsible breeders are ALREADY doing something about it, you didn't buy from a responsible breeder though, you bought from a Dellboy of the cat world.



It's already been explained to you that there are already registration bodies. As long as people like you want to buy fashionable cross breeds and hand over good money for those crosses, bad breeding practices will remain.



No you don't. It's not anymore difficult for novice cat buyer to buy a decent cat than it is for me to buy a 2nd hand car. It's not THAT difficult to find a good breeder and a decent kitten, a post on this forum BEFORE purchase and a handful of replies would have armed you with more than enough knowledge to have enabled you to make a far more informed purchase.



It's hard to give sensible replies to someone who won't accept the reality of the situation and their role in it. You just want us to agree with you, you want us to back this harebrained BVA scheme you have thought up, you want us to accept you are a total innocent in this situation. You don't want to here realistic points of view.



You're the one with the problem, and you're the one with the reluctance to accept your own role in it, not me. If I got to my local market and I buy a "top brand designer" perfume for the knockdown price of 15 quid or I got to dellboy and buy a "one careful old lady owner" second hand Volkswagen Polo.... I can either accept the reality of the situation and be a more aware consumer in the future, or I can bemoan bootleg perfume sellers and dodgy secondhand car salesmen on internet forums. All the moaning in the world is not going to change the situation. There are dodgy sellers of everything, when we buy from them, we take our chances. You bought from one and suffered the consequences.