Just want to throw this out there but does this look like there is a shortage of cross/moggies?

Other/Mixed Breed Cats and Kittens for sale in UK

Its not about not breeding cross's/moggies but at least health testing the parents correctly.

Its the same with cross's/mongrel dogs why is it always the pedigree breeders who pay out of the nose to ensure a breed is healthy and when they dont they are made out bad like in pedigree dogs exposed but when a moggy/mongrel/cross breed breeder doesnt health test its acceptable?

but this mating isn't between your own two cats, the father or fathers are unknown, so the tempermants of the kittens could be terrible.

And you two are part of the group of irresponsible cat owners/moggy breeders.

she's still here chica

yes, that would be the responsible and safe thing to do!

exactly!! they want kittens, period. If she is not pregnant this time, they will try it again with the friends unneutered male cat, if he is again not up to the job, the female will slip out the door "totally accidentally" again .

yeah a lot of people in here confuse blunt talking with rudeness. But that's often just because they can't actually counter the very valid points I make so it just helps them to cloud the waters by throwing "oh she is sooo rude". That way they hope to turn the conversation away from their irresponsible breeding and on to my style of talking. It's called diversion tactics. And in this thread there are very blatant.

well that would cost money, so what do you think?

but hey your friends female got out "accidentally" when she was on heat, but I assume you can assure that won't happen with your cat. Maybe you should pass your secret on to your friend.

oh how quaint, yet another brand new member just signed up to remark on the manner existing members post. How unusual is that!

that aside, instead of just telling others what to do and how to post .... why don't YOU advise the OP.

As long as you're allowed to post your opinion... I too will post mine. That ok with you?

Of course it is, if the OP wants to know for sure if her cat is pregnant there are two things she/they can do. Wait, or go to the vet for an ultrasound. But ultrasounds costs money, and moggie breeders generally don't do things like health testing or scanning, moggy pregnancies have to be done on the cheap.

what do you think? They don't even know who the father is! (or fathers are!). lol, and you;re asking them if they will so a series of health tests ... well, I suppose we can all dream

now... don't go bursting their bubbles by being too real TB.

But your cat isn't the father, remember!

what your tom can't "accidentally" escape in the way your mate's female did? Please pass on your secret to your pal, she obviously needs it.

and if she's not... she'll be back over to your boy (both of them untested) for another shot at an irresponsible mating!

LOL -- yes the "we have researched this for months" bit made me laugh too. I would love to know where all that research was done.

And totally agreed that it is bad enough that people breed in an irresponsible manner like this, but they fact that they actually want support and help and our understanding.... it's quite unbelievable.

good question, but I think we all know the answers

I have yet to hear of one moggy breeder who health tested either cat, let alone both. That costs money TB, and takes people with a responsible AND animal loving nature to fork out that kinda money for cats, especially moggies. I will throw a party when I come across a health tested moggy queen and stud .... and I will invite you all

(sidenote: is anybody else worried that Lizward isn't here, lol. Lizzybabes, I do hope you're ok, I know this is your kind of thread and your absence worries me somewhat)

Yes, this has been debated ad nauseum and frustration is running high on a lot of levels. Posters come on who have "accidentally" let their cat get pregnant and then want just warm fuzzy happiness from all the members on the forum. When they don't get it, they feel personally attacked.

This might help put things in perspective for you. We have a bunch of people on here who volunteer in rescues and they've seen a LOT of unwanted kittens who have to be euthanized because nobody wants to love them. This is distressing to them, obviously, and when more kittens are brought into the world, well, you understand.

More to the point, since you must love your cat. When you allow her out to mate with anyone, she could pick up diseases from him--you don't know who he is. Think of it as going out to a bar and just picking up some random guy and having unprotected sex. He could have any number of nasty diseases. Sure people do it any way, but it's not a smart idea, or a healthy one. Furthermore, whatever mum picks up from the tom could be transmitted to the kittens. So, just worst case (and I'm not trying to just frighten you, but I'm trying to put everyone's frustration into easy terms), mum mates with some random tom, she carries the kittens, you fret over her and go through the whole pregnancy along with her. You help her have the kittens (and she manages to have them normally, and not need an emergency c-section, which is always a possibility and could kill her), and they aren't well. You nurse them for weeks to try to help them, but one by one, they sicken and die. Worse yet, your cat also has it now and she gets sicker and sicker. Imagine the heartbreak and the unnecessary suffering.

These are the things everyone fears for you and your cat and her offspring. This is why they all appear to jump down your throat and they urge you to get her to a vet immediately and get her spayed. It's to potentially save her life and the life of those kittens. They don't know you, so nothing here is personal. But they are a passionate group and above all else, they want to save lives.

I hope that helps a little.

I don't think anyone has ever said every cat should be neutered. All people are saying is that breeding should be done in a responsible, safe and controlled manner. The breeding in this thread was none of those things.

no not at all. I foster moggy kittens for shelters, but my own cats are from planned litters, bred for all the right reasons. And only bred after extensive (and expensive) health tests have been carried out. Also only suitable (temperament) studs and queens are used for breeding.

no it's not at all cruel as I see on a daily basis the results of moggy breeding with the wrong cats... it's not always (often) pretty

killing a few cells is absolutely not the same as killing a fully formed kitten

not at all, I would happily buy (and happily recommend others to buy) moggy kittens that were bred responsibly to proper high standards. I have nothing against moggy kittens. I just have a lot against irresponsible breeding practices

that's fine if that's the advice YOU want to give, then give it, I certainly won't stand in your way. But do you mind awfully if other people reserve the right to call people like the OP irresponsible? We are all entitled to our opinions, you would rather those opinions were "gentle pushes" and all ncie and helpful... then go ahead and give that type of help support, but don't expect universal agreement. Plenty of us in here find the OP (and her friend) highly irresponsible and have the right to state that.