Hey all,

I've got a question that is purely out of curiosity - the answers won't change anything in regards to how we care for, or feel towards our boy, Logi.

Out of interest, how does the Havana female affect the breed line, if bred with a Siamese male? Does it make the kittens any less of a Siamese? Do characteristics/temperament change?

I ask because Logi was born of a Havana female - who had 4 chocolate points and 1 Havana kitten (I seem to remember)

Although he was totally cream from birth, his points became darker as he grew, and now he's also becoming fairly brown in his body too*. We also feel that he's not your 'typical' Siamese, in the sense that all the other Siamese we've heard about, are nothing like Logi - he's jealous yes, but he's not what you would call the brightest spark. Obviously I know that every cat is different, but it does surprise me just how laid back and dim he is! (don't get me wrong - we love him for this! )

Do you think much of this comes from the mum? (especially the colouring bit)

I'm just curious!

*Thought pics might explain this better: -


Logi getting a darker body


A very bad pic of Logi's mum (didn't want to use a flash)

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I'm not a breeder but i dont think it would effect the colours.


Siamese colouring is a form of albinism which is heat sensitive. This means that the first area that colour shows is in their extremeties.

Its perfectly normal for their body to get more shaded and darker in as they mature. So no need to worry!

Apparently if you live in a hot country their body will stay paler lol - although i have no idea if that is true or not.

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Colourpointed cats that go outside or live in homes where it's cool do go darker. My seal tabby went very dark across the saddle of his back this winter because we don't use the heating much & it was obviously a cold winter! It isn't a fault at all.

Logi's colour looks fine to me and having Havana in his pedigree won't make any difference to how dark he goes.
Mai Tai is getting darker as she gets older and is darker in winter than summer, though not to a great degree as she spends 99% of her time indoors.
The mating with an oriental (like Havanas) doesn't alter the temperament either as oriental characteristics are not that dissimilar to Siamese.
Over the years I've had very bright ones and some rather dim ones too

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I heard this too, but wasn't sure how true it was. It's fairly warm in our house, but he does go outside so he could be cooling himself off and changing colour when we're not looking
Out of interest again, if he moved to a hot country, would he then get lighter again, or is the colour 'set'?

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lol i have no idea if the colour is fixed or not... i am guessing it would stay fairly fixed until the next moult!

If he has access to the outside, then he is likely to remain darker, than say an indoor cat who's owners have the heating on 24/7.

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Ah thanks for this! I did assume that they were so close anyway that it would make no difference, but it has surprised me as to how silly he is.

As an example, Logi's main bowl is on the left, and Lance's on the right. The other day the autofeeder went off (which is just one large dish for both) and Lance got there first and stood on the left. Because Logi couldn't fit in the gap, he 'couldn't' eat! (or didn't know how to) Out of frustration, he instead stood over the top of Lance (forming a sort of cat X shape) so that his head was on the left again and he 'could' then eat! I had to pick him up and move him..

And I thought Siamese were meant to be clever!
Lol

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Colour looks fine to me, my Siamese stud looks very simalar in terms of markings his saddle is going slightly more coffee coloured the older he gets.

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I saw your pic somewhere before and the first thing I thought was 'Logi'!
They look very similar indeed!
I'm not worried about the colour - as I said it was more curiosity if it was to do with the Havana mum, or if it is just a Siamese thing anyway.

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Not to put a spoke in the works (and maybe it's just the picture or my monitor), but Logi looks to be a definite Seal point to me, not Chocolate. Also, that would explain the body darkening: Chocolates are known for keeping their light bodies, Seals often go darker as they age. TLC, do you have any other pictures of him?

As far as the darkening and the Oriental mother, I'd would have said exactly the same things that have been said, so I won't repeat them.

Mushu went horribly dark ( not really horrible, just detrimental to his show career ) last winter when he was at the cattery and spent all his time outside watching the birds hop around in the snow. I came back and couldn't believe the difference 3 weeks made to his colouring. A year later, he's still considerably darker than he was before. In my experience, they don't really lighten all that much once they darken, although they might go slightly lighter in summer.

And the breed is no guarantee of smarts, either. When I was a teenager we had a red-point who was not the brightest button on the shirt. A real love bug, the sweetest, cuddliest boy imaginable, but really not all that smart!