Let's try not to let this thread degenerate into a lot of nastiness, hey, there's a first time for everything

I thought some would like to know that I have finally got the DNA results back and alas both litters were sired by Danny - this despite the fact that I saw Basil mating with Katie! Katie is confirmed as the mother of the one I orignally thought was Fiona's because I got the two kittens mixed up.

Now, before you all start on your condemnation trips, let those who are wise take lessons from this. I saw Katie mate with Basil. Had I not got the two kittens mixed up so that I convinced myself the longhaired one was Katie's (which would mean he could not have been sired by Basil), I would have happily registered him as Basil's, the more so because in temperament he is very much like Basil (Basil has this peculiar mannerism of rolling around all over the place as soon as any human comes near him, it causes a lot of comments at shows because people think he must be a calling female - until they see the evidence that he is a boy - and this kitten does exactly the same thing). Moral - if there is any room for any doubt at all, get a test done, especially if there is any question of the kitten being bred from (as this one would have been, had he been Basil's). They are beautiful babies (well, almost adolescents now, the tests have taken so long) and will make their new people very happy:

tiffle 11 weeks 4.jpg

bruce 10 weeks.jpg

bluebell 8 weeks.jpg

gary 8 weeks.jpg

In fact what I didn't tell you was that after I realised Basil was not the father of Fiona's kittens, I got so paranoid that I had two younger litters tested just to check they were Basil's, even though they were all shorthairs and all had coat colours and patterns I would expect from Basil. It was theoretically possible, though statistically very unlikely, that they might have been Danny's if he had access to the two girls concerned, and although I was fairly sure in my own memory that the girls had been out in pens all the time, I had not actually written that down. Yes, I have learned something, I need to write everything down in future because what is a clear memory now may not be as clear in nine weeks time. Those two litters that should have been Basil's are indeed Basil's: every kitten has been tested, including the ones that there was no question of anyone breeding from. Responsibility to new owners is something I take very seriously.

Liz

Gorgeous cats Liz. Sorry to hear it wasn't the result you hoped for, but it sounds like you are dealing with it just fine. I'm sure some people* would have made the same assumption you did with the kitten who is like Basil, only perhaps wouldn't have got him tested - I don't know. It's all just speculation.
I do admire your honesty.

*I don't mean some people on here! (just thought I best add that) My opinion of the people on here is that the non-troll members are all very passionate and caring people. It's why the heated discussions happen imo. What I meant was some people out there in the world, who don't take the time to come on forums to learn more. Not necessarily just the 'backyard breeders' either. I'm sure there are plenty of seemingly honest breeders out there who are not bothering to do all the checks. In fact, I'm beginning to have my doubts about the person we bought Logi from, on the basis that she had loads of cats (all very healthy and happy btw) - It just makes me wonder how sure she was which kittens belonged to who.

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Whatever the results you have 4 stunning kittens there. Bluebell is just lovely. I'm sure they'll all make their new owners very happy. xx

I wish I never looked on here...I want one!!

Did you get onefor yourself??

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Not unless I want to add a 3/4 pedigree to my collection. Unfortunately I would have quite some difficulty justifying that even to myself let alone my husband - these don't fit with my outcross programme. Let's just say I wouldn't be too heartbroken if no-one wanted Tiffle, but somehow I suspect she'll be the first to go.

Liz

I love Tiffanies. So adorable! Whenever I see them at shows as kittens, they are always the pens attracting most attention.

awww thats a shame anyone would be mad not to want one!

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very pleased to hear that you now know who the mums and dads are

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they are all beautiful, but there is something about bruce which i think is just adorable

Sorry the results weren't what you would have liked but they are gorgeous little cats and no doubt will be snapped up by new owners very quickly. At least you know now who is whose

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