New Colour Predicting Thread

[Dozymoo]

Hi All,

I think I know what the answer is but just wanted to check.
What possible results would you get if you mate a Blue tortie and white BSH Queen (carrying no chocolate / no colourpint) to a Lilac Colourpoint Stud.

Am I correct in thinking you'd get:
Blue, Cream and Bi Colour boys
Blue, Blue Cream & Blue tortie and white girls (all carrying chocolate and colourpoint)?

Cheers! xx

[gskinner123]

You did know the answer

Are you having a stab a some colourpointed & white?

[Dozymoo]

Thanks for the quick response!

Not planning anything at the moment. But have recently seen some just stunning photos and I'd love to learn more about the CP & whites.

I'm so new to breeding that I need to focus my attention on a specific goal. At the moment all the patterns look lovely to me, but CP and whites really do look special. xx

[gskinner123]

They are very pretty, yes

Two ways of looking at it I suppose... you could say it would be a case of in at the deep end as it can be a struggle to develop 'new' colours/patterns and get them right (all part of the fun though, eh?) or you could view it a great opportunity to be involved with some new - well, relatively new - almost from the off

[Dozymoo]

Originally Posted by gskinner123

They are very pretty, yes

Two ways of looking at it I suppose... you could say it would be a case of in at the deep end as it can be a struggle to develop 'new' colours/patterns and get them right (all part of the fun though, eh?) or you could view it a great opportunity to be involved with some new - well, relatively new - almost from the off

Certainly food for thought. To be honest, I'd like the challenge but I'll also have to talk my other half around. He already thinks I'm a bit mental, if I go down that road, I can see I'll end up accumulating a lot of new cats!

[Dozymoo]

OK me again. What if you put the same queen to a Chocolate colourpoint stud? Would you have exactly the same results? x

[gskinner123]

No, the chocolate (colourpointed) would breed as a black because your girl doesn't carry chocolate, just as a lilac cp stud would breed as a blue for the same reason.

Assuming the choc cp stud carries dilute (lilac) then colours expected would be those we already mentioned, plus black self, red self, black bi-colour and red bi-colour in males and black self, black tortie and dominant tortie & white girls.

All the kittens would obviously still carry cp; the dilute colour kittens would still carry lilac and any dominant colour kittens would obviously carry chocolate but also its dilute, lilac, because they would have inherited one copy of a dilute gene (blue) from their mother.

Hope that makes sense!

[Dozymoo]

Originally Posted by gskinner123

No, the chocolate (colourpointed) would breed as a black because your girl doesn't carry chocolate, just as a lilac cp stud would breed as a blue for the same reason.

Assuming the choc cp stud carries dilute (lilac) then colours expected would be those we already mentioned, plus black self, red self, black bi-colour and red bi-colour in males and black self, black tortie and dominant tortie & white girls.

All the kittens would obviously still carry cp; the dilute colour kittens would still carry lilac and any dominant colour kittens would obviously carry chocolate but also its dilute, lilac, because they would have inherited one copy of a dilute gene (blue) from their mother.

Hope that makes sense!

Silly, I should have known that the Chocolate would breed as black. Now that's a whole rainbow of possibilities; possibly a little bit too wide a range of possibilities for my brain though.

Thanks again for your help. I think I'm going to have to put a chart together to help me remember all that. x

[gskinner123]

lol... for about the first 5 years of breeding I don't think I ever had my nose off the colour chart thingie page of The Book of The Cat - it took me ages to get it fixed in my mind.

I love the dominant colour BSH's but my personal choice would be not to breed them, particularly red, red bi-colours and black bi-colours. They were, funnily enough, the colours I started with about 25 years ago (my first girl was a dominant tortie & white) but I had awful problems finding homes for the kittens; people only ever seemed to want blues. That's changed a bit, I think, as people are more aware there are other equally nice colours other than blue! But I do have breeder/friends who still struggle with black bi-colours and black torties particularly.

[Paddypaws]

Originally Posted by gskinner123

I love the dominant colour BSH's but my personal choice would be not to breed them, particularly red, red bi-colours and black bi-colours. They were, funnily enough, the colours I started with about 25 years ago (my first girl was a dominant tortie & white) but I had awful problems finding homes for the kittens; people only ever seemed to want blues. That's changed a bit, I think, as people are more aware there are other equally nice colours other than blue! But I do have breeder/friends who still struggle with black bi-colours and black torties particularly.

Interesting...especially as there has been a couple of posters on here recently showing us their beautiful black/white, blue/tortie/white BSH cats. I suppose like a lot of people I had no idea that BSH were bred in these different colours, but I am very taken with them!
Do you have a web site we can look at to ooh and ahh over your cats?