Hi Jo thank you for your advise im not offended in the least , thats what advise is for . Ronnie stil has the runs ( but muct admit avn't starved her for 24 hours ) its hard when they are a pup to starve. her kibble is vitalin ? is this any good its what the breeder fed her on and also she fed her on ox heart ?????. to be honest i am not going to bother with the raw diet now , this has upset me too much to think i have prob caused this . would you say burns is better than vitalin food ?. i feed my jrt on nutro choice ,would i be better off slowly introducing this to Ronnie (when she is better of course ) . i am just boiling some chicken and white rice for her at the mo . thanks again all for your advise i do appriciate it .