Thanks Fleur, it's good to hear another viewpoint and your method sounds preferable to letting her lie in her own mess -it seemed very wrong to me. It's so hard to know what to do with so much conflicting advice! My only worry would be if she still cries all night in our room - did you offer any reassurance when your puppy was in the crate in your room e.g. talk to them or pat them, or did you ignore them until they were asleep and then just take them out if they started crying again? Did they revert back to crying when you moved the crate?