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Originally Posted by tiddlypup
also the first time id ever seen a prong collar,one of the trainers was a guy called kurt sventek direct from germany and before anyone says anything,they helped a hell of a lot of rotts,especially in court cases,it wasnt a very good time for rotts back then,seems to be coming full circle 
i never ever saw them hit or kick a dog,they took on some real aggresive dogs and turned them around,used correctly they arent nasty,sadly you will always get people who abuse,how many times do you see a dog dragging its owner down the street wearing a check chain,now thats gonna do more damage,as its name suggests,a short check then release is the correct way,the american checks are bought to fit the dogs neck,hence the clip,you dont then have a loose collar hanging
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I've seen them and had one on my neck, I from that point on refused to use one, it was uncomfortable and scratched at my neck. I personally think a prong is better suited for the longer haired breeds but again I don't like these collars from my own personal experience.
It makes me so sad when I see people get these collars and have no idea how to use them or even attempt to do dog training. I have a friend with a malinosis and guess what he's been trained on a flat collar and lives happily in one too.
I'm becoming less and less of fan of any training tools, some work for others and some don't. I myself only train my dogs on flat collars of half check collars, I don't even use a head collar after what damage it did to Barney.