I agree with dogpositivetraining. Killerwhales are taught using reward based training, can you imagin trying to force them to do something they didn't want to do?

If a head halter works, great. But Don't forget to PRAISE!!! PRAISE the good behaviour because even the smallest of dogs can learn to tense up the neck muscles and lean into the halti, stopping it from working!

A while before I moved here, we had a 12stone rotti. Do you think I trained him to walk nicely by slapping him across the butt as suggested to me by another rotti(aggressive btw) owner? No. Me, being only 5ft2, there was no way I was getting that rotti to do anything he didn't want to do.
The only way to succesfully get a dog to walk to heel, is to make him WANT to BE there, not make him afraid not to be there!

You will probably have to walk your dogs seperately to begin with, I used a clicker and you could too if you had leads you can attach to your waist once both dogs are getting the idea that being next to you is good.
Many dogs simply do not 'get' what you want from them! With the rotti, he had never been lead walked apart from to the car and had been allowed to pull. he had no idea where I wanted him to be. As soon as he clicked what it was, and realised he got a tasty treat when his nose was level with my leg, he would nudge me sometimes to remind me he was there!

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