oh yes lots of throw backs! Ressessive gene can hide and linger for a few generations.

not quite sure what cats you have - is this right?

1) a black and white long haired girl - whos mum was a tabby (what colour tabby?) - any ideas on the father?

2) a black boy - whos mother was a tabby point (whitey cream body -coloured limbs, face and tail? - again what colour tabby) - any idea on the father here? What colour were the grandfather and the grandmother?

Remember tabby is a pattern not a colour.

Are these the two cats that you are mating together? Are they both solids, i.e. no tabby markings?

Let me have these detailsand i'll try to help - but I seem to recall that white is incredibly dominant as is black so probably only going to get black and white from this pairing. I'll go check.

EDIT- yes white very dominant - if she carries 1 white gene 1/2 will be white in some way.

'White spotting is a very common mutation that causes patches of white in what is called a "piebald" pattern. The range of variation is quite remarkable: from white toes, to white feet; a white streak on the nose or a white chin, to a white bib; a white belly and legs, to white over most of the body, leaving only a few patches of color; or even a completely white coat.

White spotting can be thought of as a mask over the color that the cat naturally carries. White spotting is a very common mutation that causes patches of white in what is called a "piebald" pattern. The range of variation is quite remarkable: from white toes, to white feet; a white streak on the nose or a white chin, to a white bib; a white belly and legs, to white over most of the body, leaving only a few patches of color; or even a completely white coat. White spotting can be thought of as a mask over the color that the cat naturally carries.'

So in this case i think (please those who deal in other than colourpoints normally help here) 1/2 white in places, and then the rest depends on what is carried - no carried genes black only (with or without white), if they both carry dilute then blues possible(with or without white), if both carry chocolate then chcoclate (brown) with or without white, if both carries chocolate and dilute then lilacs are also possible. See why it is usefulto know the grandparents colours etc. But a gentic test is the best way to know for definate what is carried.

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