just want to add that many years ago it wasn't known smoking kills people. why? coz we couldn't see what was going on inside. the point im making is just coz u cant see damage that's dont to the respiratory system shouldn't let us ignore it.

many vets still give out wrong info on tort care. get advice from the experts, the worlds tort groups, the tortoise trust etc , these have seen the result of incorrect care in older torts whom im sure "look" ok when they were 10yrs old but now they@re 40yrs old are suffering from mismanagement in the past.