i'll get a vet report shall I? I do the upmost to do everything I can for my torts and to be honest you and other people who are anti viv's makes people feel awful! When really a well set up viv can be no real different to a table! Am not here to say which is wrong or right am just trying to give another opinion. Different research show's different things dependant on the way the researcher wants it to go!

Am just trying to help someone, I don't feel its wrong the way I keep my torts and you can't see the inside of your tort can you?? So how do you know what your doing is right all we can do is try are best is it not?