Is there any real need to confine them of a night? Many years ago we had a rescue moggy and we decided he would sleep in the kitchen of a night (he had a lovely basket and litter tray and toys etc). Every morning we would go in and he had poo'd outside the litter tray. We put extra trays in, paper down (he would go under it!), changed litters - you name it we did it. He was great during the day. This had gone on for almost 3 months and it was getting us down and he was 24 hours from being returned (much as I hated the thought as I loved the little guy). He was a bit off colour one evening and we decided to let him roam rather than confine him (so I could hear if he was ill). He came in, jumped on our bed and settled down. He never made a mess. We continued to let him have the run of the house of a night - he would sleep on our bed and never ever messed outside the litter tray again - only if he ever got locked in a room accidentally. He just craved company.

It does sound like a security issue. Has the vet ruled out any UTI? (I take it they are both neutered?)

Ask your vet about a referal for an animal behavioural specialist - we live in Warrington and a few years back when one of our Raggies had some issues our vet recommended one - think they were based in Chester if my memory serves me right.

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Kaz

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