Thanks DPT, it definately is going to take a lot of consistency from my part which I find difficult as admittedly I'm very impatient. However I'm determined to get this to work as I know how lovely it was last week when we enjoyed our walks together. I'm meeting the lady with all her dogs this afternoon and will whistle call all the other dogs back and play/treat when zach comes too. Hopefully this will start to sink in.

One question, when did your dogs start really enjoying games on walks? Zach does like fetching the tennis ball and will eagerly play tug/football/frisbee at home but when we go out hes just really not that interested. The reason I ask is because DPT you said Harley loves his frisbee, and the lady's black lab will sit ignoring all the other dogs because shes so desperate for the lady to throw the ball. Are all dogs meant to be like this (retrievers mainly I'm talking about) or do some just prefer play with other dogs? Or is it just that he's a pup and will soon grow into liking games with me?