yes sound sensible i agree with the garden thing else when will they learn. thanks both for the valuable advice - actually last nigt was a good night for the crate as he didnt whine. and im trying to teach him to releave himself in the garden so far he only poos outside and wees in both outside and in. and trying to get him used to playing alot in the garden.

i will put a pic up soon so you can see him

thanks