I don't particularly like the idea of using a water spray on older dogs (I can see that it might have it's place) but to suggest it for a little 8 week old puppy that could learn in much more positive manner is beyond me. [/QUOTE]

Yes your probably right. Which is why I stated that I would be doing my training without, however, to start using a new method on a adult dog seems a little contradicting, a dog is a dog not a baby as some people state, my daugher is my baby and it is her welfare that is paramout to me, and if using a water pistol, that in my opinion; and it is my opinion, doesn't hurt rather than having my child or any other mauled, then that is how it will be. To be honest my dad brought our collie up rubbing her nose in her feaces and smacking her nose, she never laid one finger on anyone and was a well behaved happy dog with no issues whatsoever, (not that I advocate any of that, but that was the way there generation treated dogs). Again I have stated that Bailey loves the water pistol and I acctually dont think that he thinks its a punishment, or anything but fun, he went out in the poring rain and wasn't fussed he goes under the hoes and loves it. Bring on the water fun I say.