We have tried kitchen Kay, but as they have never been apart he goes crazy wont be quiet, and i have very old people next door, its our fault we have always had them with us , we should have started it at beginning when we got them , they both have bad seperation problems and we cant even leave them in to go shopping or anywhere they come too, but i do know its though our own fault not theirs, but this wont get off the bed i will have to get tougher i think, only one does it and its only been for a few days so hopefully can stop it before he thinks its his right as none are allowed on bed, thanks Kay for help