All these problem dogs are preventable of course. So I will simply and respectfully, agree to disagree with your position that these dogs cannot be saved, rehabbed without pain and suffering and placed in good homes to live out the rest of their lives. I work with thousands of others who also feel this way, not that that makes my position have more value then yours!

For the thousands of us who chose to work with these lost souls, to not give up on them, Cesar's way offers solutions that are long term, humane and can be done in safety, (although there are many who will push the safety edge because they do not have enough knowledge or skill - but the alternative is that without stepping up and trying, the dog WILL be ethanized because there IS no one else to help locally).

Jackson, Cesar is completely clear in both DVD's his books and shows. If what is done harms the dog, it is NOT Cesar's way, no matter what anyone says.

I have cut and pasted as your posts are SO long winded they make mine look short! However, I admire your dedication.

I never said the dogs could not be saved. I said that I believed PTS was the better option than submiotting them to cruelty. I have never seen a dog that could not be rehabilitated but positive methods.

The REASON these dogs are in rescue in the first place is because of irresponsible BYB's and puppy mills. It has little to do with training, as if the pup[py came froma responsible breeder, they would be on hand to help the owners, or take the puppy/dog back.

As for the last bit. What Cesar says, and what I see happening are two different things. Getting bitten by a dog means something is going wrong. Regardless of how 'viscious' the dog was in the first place, and I reiterate, you will NEVER convince me here is ever a need for getting physical with a dog, be that yanking it's lead or pinning it down. You will also never convince me that pack or dominance theory is anything other than a load of tosh.