You will NEVER convince me that it is OK to frighten, harm or hurt a dog in the name of rehabilitation and training. You will also never convince me there is no other way and you will never convince me that Cesar Millans methods do not employ bullying tactics or end up in a shut down dog.

A friend of mine gives a good example of how his behaviour works, and how it works compared to positive methods, this is roughly it:

I am scared of spiders. I hate them, and every time I see one, I panic and start to scream and run round. Along comes the 'trainer'. Everytime I see a spider, and am scared, so make a 'fuss', they punch me in the face. hard. After this has happened a few times, (and it might not take long, I am a sensitive soul!) I stop running around and screaming when I see the spider. I am still terrified of the spider, but I am more terrified of being punched in the face. So, I stay very still to try and avoid being punched. I am still, quiet and terrified, instead of noisy and terrified. Terrified of the spider and terrified that if I move in the slightest I might get punched. I might start to hate spiders even more, as if I wasn't careful, I got punched when I saw them.

Now, how about if the 'trainer' gave me a £50 note when I saw a spider? I'd probably still be scare dof the spider, but I might stop running around screaming to get my £50 note. After a while, I might even start to think 'Hmm, not that keen on spiders at all, but every time I see one, someone gives me £50, so maybe they aren't that bad after all'. In fact, I might even startt o like seeing a spider, because I knew someone was going to give me £50. I might still be scared, but there would be a plus side. Also, if I got really scared and couldn't help but scream, all that would happen would be I wouldn't get £50, nothing bad.

If you think electric shock collars, prong collars, choke chains, dragging, pushing, shoving, pinning down and suppressing a dog is a way to train it and have a happy dog, that worries me. If you think ths is the only way to train a dog that is likely poorly socialised, underwalked and likely has problems because it is owned by numpties and has never had any formal training, that worries me even more.