Hi Jackson
I totally agree sounds quite regimented and like yourself its not for me.

Hi ajshep1984
Yes i have tried the pads and the spray and they did`nt work ,well for bob anyway lady used them alright lol but she has no problem going outside anyway

But sunday he finally went pee and poo in the garden when he woke up and my self and daughter kept a close eye on him in the house and would take him out every hr for 15 mins ,6 hrs later he went toilet again and yes in the garden and since then he has been doing really well.
He does not seem to want or need to go as much as his brother and sister and like i say can go several hrs ,is this normal for a 17 week old pup?

Also one more question while i am here ,my hubby took lady out to the garden for her morning business upon waking today and she did`nt go for him ,he came in after 10 mins and so i went straight out to her and said lady go wee wee and she did go wee and poo straight away ,hubby said that she has become dependent on me being there with her when she go`s can that happen.

I always stayed out side with jubilee and winston when they where learning and now they have no problem going without me being there.