just a quick update, dropped the dogs in the deep end and took them up the road to wait for my kids to come out of school, thinking where better to get them used to crowds of people, (1500), and it has had a good effect on Reno. It only took him a few minutes to let people come up and stroke him, and he relaxed quite quickly, however Mikito wasn't having any of it. But overall it was very successful and will repeat it again soon. It was also handy to find out that a lad is threatening my daughter and i would like to bump into him