Hi Hutch and Merlinsmum, thoroughly enjoyed the debate. Agree it is only with many, many hours of time spent with the dog (depending on the breed, of course! and not long spells of training) that will reap the rewards of walking to heel as Seven Pets seems to aspire to. And agree also to get rid of expensive harnesses and choke chains etc, better off with a loose lead and stop/go exercises.

Absolutely loved your stories about working dogs - they are so inspiring when you see a good dog doing its job, thanks Hutch!

Where's Seven Pets gone, though? Lucy