yea i mite ring them up, they arent shy with me they have no problem crawling on me and lickin me lol, they are also ok running around wen they do but its only 4 10 mins at a time if that then its back to bed for several hours. ill give them a few more days then take them the vets to make sure everythings ok...! befor these two i used to have kits and they were very playfull, but these are older and have had litters b4(thats all we know about them..they were sadly used as breeding machines b4 they were rescued) so maybe they just dont like playing as much??? o well thanku